[AudiA4B6US]

Ok, it looks like getting XM/Sirius to work requires an upgraded sat receiver:

Sirius for Symphony II/Concert II:
Part No. 8E0 057 593
XM for Symphony II/Concert II:
Part No. 8E0 057 593A
Sirius for RNS-E and/or with tire pressure monitoring system:
Part No. 8E0 057 593D
XM for RNS-E and/or with tire pressure monitoring system:
Part No. 8E0 057 593E

Since audio is possible with the US unit and the older sat receivers, I would guess that the CAN commands have changed to allow more devices (e.g. the TPMS) on the bus.

So, for the US unit ("E" and "R" units), installing the "D" or "E" sat receiver should enable sat radio (maybe you can sell your sat enabled radio together with the receiver :wink: to get funding for the RNS-E upgrade).

The EU unit ("C" and "P" units) does not even see the sat receiver and has no option to select either XM or Sirius. So if you want to use sat radio, don't choose the EU unit.

From the 2005 Accessories catalogue:
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EDIT: Loading the US software on a Euro RNS-E will allow the use of a second generation SAT receiver even with a Euro RNS-E. See quick links for details about how to load the US software on a Euro RNS-E.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

To fit the OEM XM receiver you need the sat enabled HU. We have seen in tests that we can get audio from the sat receiver but can't change channels although it detected an XM receiver and not a Sirius (this is with the US RNS-E). As I said earlier, the CAN commands may have changed and the RNS-E is expecting a different device as receiver. It might be as simple as a software update but since there are two part numbers, it could easily be more.

As Proxus said, you can always connect a 3rd party sat receiver throught the CDC port but that's a different story.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

I'm confused now because the options catalogue does not cover all possible configurations. I think it's safe to assume that the "E" sat receiver supports the 2005 RNS-E. And it is also safe to assume that the "A" sat receiver does not and only works with the 2004 Symphony.

But what about those who have a non-Bose, sat pre-wired B7? They do have a Symphony and can upgrade to XM. But do they need to get the "A" sat receiver (because they don't have the RNS-E or TPMS) or the "E" sat receiver (because they are "All New 05").

If the Symphony has not changed between the B6 and the B7, then I would guess the "E" sat receiver supports only the RNS-E. If the Symphony has changed, then the "E" sat receiver supports only the B7 (2005.5) and wouldn't work with a 2004 Symphony (including the one in a 2005 B6).

Anybody out here who can look up part numbers for the B6 and B7 Symphony? Or who has some more details on which sat receiver works with which HU.

Or we wait until Proxus gets his "E" sat receiver and see what happens when he connects it to his 2004 Symphony. :lol:

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Very nice! When you are going to remove your RNS-E the next time (to connect the Dietz?), could you try and see if the new sat receiver works with the old Symphony? Would be intersting to know if this works so people who want to do the OEM sat upgrade could get the new receiver for their old Symphony before they make the next step and get the RNS-E.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Yeah, in this case "old" means 2002-2004 (let's say B6) Symphony II (or Concert II) and "new" means the "All New 05" (B7) unit...

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Until someone actually pulls put a Symphony II from a A4 B7 (or looks this info up in the parts database), we won't know if the HU has changed between the B6 (MY 2002-2005 in the US) and the B7 (MY 2005.5> in the US).

The other option is that Proxus tries to connect his brand new RNS-E comaptible XM tuner to his 2004 Symphony II HU. If this works, then the new XM receiver supports both the Symphony II and the RNS-E and the Symphony II has likely not changed between the B6 and the B7. If his new XM receiver doesn't work with his 2004 Symphony II then it is likely that the 2005.5 Symphony II in a B7 is different. The connections are likely to be the same but the CAN protocol might be different.

In the past there were two different Symphony II for the A4 B6, the older one without the SAT button, and the newer one with the SAT button. The connectors were the same though, just the language they speak is differnt.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

So, to summarize this, we have the following XM receivers:

8E0 035 593A: 2004 XM receiver for A4 B6 Symphony II/Concert II
8E0 057 593A: 2005.5 XM receiver for the All New 05 A4 B7, Symphony II/Concert II
8E0 057 593E: 2005.5 XM receiver for the All New 05 A4 B7, RNS-E 8E0 035 192E

If this is correct then everybody who wants to upgrade to the RNS-E needs a new XM/Sirius receiver.

Hey, Proxus, when you get a "C" RNS-E, could you confirm that it doesn't see the new XM receiver? Or we can try this with my "C". I'm not going to upgrade XM because I have ordered an Ice>Link Plus for my iPod Mini. But I would still like to know if the new XM receiver doesn't work either with the "C" unit.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

There is a TSB 91-05-01 which says the following:

Satellite tuners, installing or replacing
Vehicles equipped with TPMS and/or Audi Navigation Plus:
Must use Satellite Tuner Part Nos: 8E0 057 593D (Sirius) or 8E0 057 593E (XM).

Vehicles not equipped with TPMS and/or Audi Navigation Plus:
Order existing stock Part No: 8E0 057 593 (Sirius) or 8E0 057 593A (XM) until stock is depleted.

If these Part Nos. are not available:
Part Nos: 8E0 057 593D (Sirius) or 8E0 057 593E (XM) can be installed.

So, the new sat recievers work with all HUs, the old ones do not work if TPMS or RNS-E is installed.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

I don't know of anybody who has tried the new sat receiver with an EU unit. I plan to get a new XM receiver within the next couple of weeks and will certainly try this.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Did you get the RNS-E adapter with CD changer support? If you didn't then you are missing audio left/right/gnd between the RNS-E and the old Symphony plugs.

Even though I did not get the new receiver yet my Euro unit with US software plays the sound from the preview channel.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Contact BayrischerS4, he may be able to get you the plug and wires you need. If not you can either get a new adapter or try to get the missing wires/plug from your dealer.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Is this what you are looking for?

Pin 7 of T8s (R CH sound)
Pin 6 of T8s (L CH sound)
Pin 5 of T8s (Spk GND)
Pin 1 of T8s (CAN L)
Pin 2 of T8s (CAN H)

From OEM SAT radio installed into '01 A6

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Well I spoke with Lee and he confirmed those are correct for the "older" satellite tuners, but wasn't sure if Audi may have changed things. So to be real sure I'd like to have the auctual pinouts of that unit, especially since it may have changed. I doubt that they changed but I'd rather be safe.

The new receivers are a plug and play swap with the old ones, Proxus did it and seveal others as well. Even the TSB said use the old ones until no stock, then continue using the new ones (for non-Nav, non-TPMS cars). There is obviously a difference in the CAN-bus protocol but the electrical wiring should be the same.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

So if I am understanding correctly, a : Part No. 8E0 057 593D will work with a symphonyII headunit , in an identical fashion to the standard Part No. 8E0 057 593 for sirius. I am planning on upgrading to a RNS-E in the future but want Sirius now....so would u guys recommend getting the newer tuner from Clair? Both should be simple PNP, right? Thanks.

Proxus said that his "E" receiver did NOT work with his B6 Symphony II. Nobody has posted confirmation that the new sat receiver will actually work with the "old" (B6 or C5) Symphony II. Based on what has been posted so far I would say that the B7/A4 Symphony II has a different part number and is using different CAN command to control the 2nd generation sat receiver.

Everybody feel free to correct me...

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Confirmed 2nd generation sat receivers ("D" and "E" units) work with Euro unit flashed with 0020 US software.

XM receiver, 1st to 2nd generation upgrade

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Found this on ebay. It appears that they flashed another software version onto the "old" XM tuner to get it to work in new cars.

http://tinyurl.com/q5v8j

Any idea how this could be accomplished?

These are MMI receivers (part number starts with 4E0) and they will not work with the RNS-E. All the MMI devices can be software upgraded through CAN, not with a VAG-COM though - someone would need a VAS or similar to do that.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

I'm pretty certain that the hw in the MMI receivers is different (because they do have the MOST connector) but the 1st and 2nd generation 8E0 receivers look hw wise pretty much the same. My 'A' receiver was hw 010 and my 'E' receiver is hw '080'. Since we have seen with the RNS-E that the hw version doesn't mean much, someone who knows EE could probably figure out what the storage chip is, read it out and flash it back.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

Correct, the 8E0 receivers are not dealer upgradable. The 4E0 are. Same for the phone interface. The 4E0 interfaces are upgradable, so is are some 8P0 interfaces in a 8P or 8PA Audi with CAN.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

They started putting the new receivers in with the B7, maybe even very late B6. The 8E0 "D" and "E" definitely work with the RNS-E.

 

[AudiA4B6US]

We got the "F" tuner reported as new version a couple of days back but the guy who posted that did not come back yet to report whether or not it's working. Guessing I would say it will work fine in any car because it's just the successor of the "D" tuner and we already saw that the "D" tuner works with the Symphony II in the B7 and 8P.