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Roberto

You said your CD changer doesn't work sometimes! Well you should try running a ground wire from the actual cd changer. I went thru this with the Phatbox and OEM Sirius Tuner. There's something in the new RNS wiring harness that's not sending the ground to the rear for the CD changer.
 

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craigyb said:
Sounds like we need a little module from Dietz that filters out the clock signals from the can bus, like the 1280 filters out GALA/speed pulse.

Any of these solutions would be acceptable to people with clock issues.

1. Filter out time signal completely - allow the RNS-E to use satelites.
2. Convert time signal to infotainment canbus compliant with RNS-E.

Maybe we should ask Dietz to provide a solution.

Who would be willing to pay for such a solution? the 1280 costs around 189 euros, such a filter should not cost any more as they have the hardware ready, it's just a case of reprogramming the PIC to filter out a different signal.

Craig

Yep, exactly as I suggested earlier. I vote for option 1... filter out the clock signal completely. That way, your RNS will always have the correct time from the GPS sats. I would be wililng to pay, probably in the lower $100's though. Not sure if an accurate ETA is that important to me right now.
 

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todd1010 said:
Roberto

You said your CD changer doesn't work sometimes! Well you should try running a ground wire from the actual cd changer. I went thru this with the Phatbox and OEM Sirius Tuner. There's something in the new RNS wiring harness that's not sending the ground to the rear for the CD changer.
From my install experience taught me, the CDC ground behind a Sym I is within the red 10 pin connector. The RNS-E pnp harness usually doesn't account for this...so you have to relocate that wire to the 20 pin connector (prior to plugging in the pnp harness). I haven't done that yet....but my phatbox works fine as it's large metal chassis is attached to my CDC bracket in the trunk which is grounded to chassis of my 2001 A6 Avant already.

Food for thought.
 

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NSX JR said:
Yep, exactly as I suggested earlier. I vote for option 1... filter out the clock signal completely. That way, your RNS will always have the correct time from the GPS sats. I would be wililng to pay, probably in the lower $100's though. Not sure if an accurate ETA is that important to me right now.
Sorry, didnt see that....
 

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NSX JR said:
craigyb said:
Sounds like we need a little module from Dietz that filters out the clock signals from the can bus, like the 1280 filters out GALA/speed pulse.

Any of these solutions would be acceptable to people with clock issues.

1. Filter out time signal completely - allow the RNS-E to use satelites.
2. Convert time signal to infotainment canbus compliant with RNS-E.

Maybe we should ask Dietz to provide a solution.

Who would be willing to pay for such a solution? the 1280 costs around 189 euros, such a filter should not cost any more as they have the hardware ready, it's just a case of reprogramming the PIC to filter out a different signal.

Craig

Yep, exactly as I suggested earlier. I vote for option 1... filter out the clock signal completely. That way, your RNS will always have the correct time from the GPS sats. I would be wililng to pay, probably in the lower $100's though. Not sure if an accurate ETA is that important to me right now.
I agree. Could there be a way to deactive the clock signal by recoding either the cluster or RNS-E with a VAG-COM? Maybe by disconnecting a wire from the cluster harness? Any other ideas?

(BTW, I tried recoding the unit to believe it was an A4 unit as was mentioned before, it did not change the clock issue)
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if you could code the clock out somewhere in the instrument cluster VAG settings.
 

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Re: B5 clock

Roberto said:
I dont know if I'm missing the point here, but my clock works fine in my 2001 S4 Avant. When I got the unit I went into set up and set the Nav clock to -6hrs GMT. I alos notice in set up that its set to get clock info from satelites.
That may be key, as is the inst cluster is not able to provide that info because the firmware does nto support it, then for the NAV system to get its clock info from satelite only may be the solution? My clock in teh nav is perfect dead on all the time, my arrivaltime on the GPS also is straight on. I of course have other issues like my red DIS does not show any NAV info at all, and nothing I do seems to change that. Also my rear CDC does not work now with the NAV system. :cry:
Roberto, could you please do me (and everyone else here) a huge favor and, if you have access to a VAG-COM, post all of your gauge cluster and RNS-E coding and adaptation settings? If I remember correctly, even with the CAN signals not hooked up, my RNS-E still didn't give me an option for time via Satellites. So, since yours does, the solution to our problem may very well be hidden there in your settings :)
 

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todd1010 said:
Roberto

You said your CD changer doesn't work sometimes! Well you should try running a ground wire from the actual cd changer. I went thru this with the Phatbox and OEM Sirius Tuner. There's something in the new RNS wiring harness that's not sending the ground to the rear for the CD changer.
From my install experience taught me, the CDC ground behind a Sym I is within the red 10 pin connector. The RNS-E pnp harness usually doesn't account for this...so you have to relocate that wire to the 20 pin connector (prior to plugging in the pnp harness). I haven't done that yet....but my phatbox works fine as it's large metal chassis is attached to my CDC bracket in the trunk which is grounded to chassis of my 2001 A6 Avant already.

Food for thought.


Yeah thats the only way mine works is when it actually mounted in the CD changer spot. I actually had to put to screws in each side to fully mount/ground it in my car.
 

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todd1010 said:
TeddyBGame said:
todd1010 said:
Roberto

You said your CD changer doesn't work sometimes! Well you should try running a ground wire from the actual cd changer. I went thru this with the Phatbox and OEM Sirius Tuner. There's something in the new RNS wiring harness that's not sending the ground to the rear for the CD changer.
From my install experience taught me, the CDC ground behind a Sym I is within the red 10 pin connector. The RNS-E pnp harness usually doesn't account for this...so you have to relocate that wire to the 20 pin connector (prior to plugging in the pnp harness). I haven't done that yet....but my phatbox works fine as it's large metal chassis is attached to my CDC bracket in the trunk which is grounded to chassis of my 2001 A6 Avant already.

Food for thought.


Yeah thats the only way mine works is when it actually mounted in the CD changer spot. I actually had to put to screws in each side to fully mount/ground it in my car.
No offence, but lets try to stay on topic here (at least a little)
 

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Yep!!!

So has Roberto responded yet? If not lets send him a private message or an email. I'd like to investigate further.
 

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Yep!!!

So has Roberto responded yet? If not lets send him a private message or an email. I'd like to investigate further.
I PM'ed him with the same message I posted here, hopefully he gets back to us because it sounds like the solution is hidden somewhere in his VAG settings or wiring configuration :D

Seems that, since we now have one confirmed report of someone having the option for time/date sync via satellite (instead of the instrument cluster) on their RNS-E (in a B5 S4 no less), its just a matter of time until we find out how to unlock that option. Before I wasn't sure if there was another choice available, but now that I know there is, I'm dedicated to finding out how to unlock it. Audi wouldn't have made it possible without someone out there knowing how to turn it on (or oppositely how to turn off the instrument signal, if that is the case).
 

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I think I saw once a posting mentioning that with Euro software 0050 or 0060 the selection was possible, even with CAN connected. I have never seen this again, nor do I remember where I have seen this.
 

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I think I saw once a posting mentioning that with Euro software 0050 or 0060 the selection was possible, even with CAN connected. I have never seen this again, nor do I remember where I have seen this.
From reading through the archives, I'd unfortunately say that is incorrect. What I did find was some people mentioning that the clock was not displayed in older EU software revisions (like those you mentioned), but they were referring to the time display on the screen (new in EU 360 and US 110), not the actual time/date information received by the unit.

Since Roberto has a unit in his B5 S4 which he is able to switch to time/date via satellites, I'm pretty confident that this is going to be a coding or wiring issue, and not an unsolvable or unachievable software issue (like the BT TEL controls for example).

Roberto, if you read this man, please, PLEASE post your system info (nav unit version, software version, etc), your VAG COM coding, and your VAG COM adaptation values.

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My comment was only about the possibility to choose in the RNS-E setup where to get the time from, GPS or cluster. Is is correct that US sw < 0110 and Euro sw < 0330 don't show the time on the RNS-E. But with all the software I tested so far (Euro 0080 ->, US 0020 ->) I was never able to choose GPS as time source as soon as the cluster was connected. Not saying that there is no VAG-COM hack which would change this, it's just what I saw.

All I wanted to say is that it is important to mention the hw/sw version of the RNS-E when talking about VAG settings. Let's hope that someone will come up with the magic setting to make this selectable in newer software.
 

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:!: :!: :!: OK, THIS MAY BE HUGE :!: :!: :!:

I was searching through some german pages with Google (thanks to the good ol' langauge translator), and here is what I found (note the option to activate or deactivate the remote clock):

Control Module Adaptation

Select 17 (Instrument Cluster)
Adaptation -> Function 10

-> Channel 19 (Misc)

xxxx?: Remote Clock

0 - Remote Clock not active
1 - Remote Clock active

xxx?x: Ambient Temperature

0 - no Display, Illumination inactive
1 - Display and Illumination active

xx?xx: Driver Information System (DIS)

0 - DIS 1
1 - Highline without DIS
2 - DIS 2

x?xxx: Board Computer

0 - only Level 2 (long time memory)
1 - Level 1 and 2

?xxxx: Illumination Option

0 - Needle and Scala only active at 'Light on"
1 - Needle already active at 'Ignition on'
2 - Scale already active at 'Ignition on'
3 - Scala (2. Map) and Needle at "ignition on" active
Now this info was in reference to an A4 8E model, NOT A B5 S4. However, I believe this is further proof that this is going to a VAG COM coding solution, and again, since the clock apparently seems to be deactivated in Roberto's B5 S4, it must be an available option which we can change.

Now we just need to find out which value needs to be changed. I'm not near my car, so I can't check to see if this is the same coding info for a B5 S4, but I am assuming its not (someone near their car, please verify this one way or the other if possible; thanks).

In the meantime, lets all keep putting our minds together on this. I'm more and more sure we can solve this with each new discovery along the way :D [/b]
 

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If you go back and read roberto's original post, he doesnt say he can switch back and forth between cluster or gps... he just says his works off gps. Also, he says his DIS does not work which would lead me to think his CAN lines are not connected to the cluster. That would explain why his RNS unit is getting the time from GPS.

Also, the remote clock is a separate option in european cars. FWIW, our clusters have a small 4-pin connector for the remote clock that is not used in the USA.

FWIW My cluster is: 4B0 920 981GX Software D17
 

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The remote clock you are talking about it the atomic clock option you can get in Germany since 2002 where the clock in you car gets one of those receivers for the official time signal (DCF77 or what it's called). This has nothing to do with the time/date signal over CAN.
 

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NSX JR said:
If you go back and read roberto's original post, he doesnt say he can switch back and forth between cluster or gps... he just says his works off gps. Also, he says his DIS does not work which would lead me to think his CAN lines are not connected to the cluster. That would explain why his RNS unit is getting the time from GPS.
Yes but, as I stated, when I connect the RNS-E to my car without the CAN connected I do NOT get the option for time/date sync via satellite. So I think this is more than just a missing CAN connection.
 

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Do you think that maybe Ross-Tech might have some idea of a coding somewhere in the instrument cluster or HU that might fix this?
 

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Do you think that maybe Ross-Tech might have some idea of a coding somewhere in the instrument cluster or HU that might fix this?
I actually already contacted them about 3 hours ago :D

Just waiting on their reply.
 
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