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Updated: December 20th, 2006:
The information below needs to be updated to cover all the new developments in installing these in a B5 or C5. In some cases, if you C5 has the factory Navigation, Onstar or phone prewiring, installation of the RNSE and related componets can be greatly simplified and no factory wiring needs to be cut. Please send an email to: [email protected] and [email protected]

http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1880

I will try and update this entire thread as soon as possible.

Thank you.
-Ted




Updated: February 8, 2006. :)

Folks (my apologies for such a long post),
Seems like there the demand for these units has gone up ever since Dirk (aka: AudiA4B6US) figured out how to "flash" the Euro units to act like a US unit. I thought it would be helpful if I summarized all the information for parts, installation, issues (very few) etc for the C5 community (most of this info is also applicable to those with a B5 A4/S4/RS4). This information can be used if installing both a US "R" model and a Euro "P" model. As always, I highly recommend to spend about 2 hours and reading though the quicklinks for the RNS-E first: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=850

The RNS-E experience from the owner of a 2003 S6 avant:
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/602741.phtml
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/600843.phtml


See also these discussion threads from audiworld.com:
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/556682.phtml
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/556494.phtml

Owners manual: If you are considering this upgrade, I highly recommend either ordering a hardcopy of the US owners manual (99.9% of the content will apply to those who install a Euro RNS-E in their US-based C5 A6). Source: http://www.audi.ddsltd.com order for a 2005 allroad or 2006 B7 A4 or S4. You can also download a pdf here for free (thanks to Robert Redmond for hosting this for us):
:!:
http://allroadfaq.com/downloads/reference/navplus/rnse_manual_.pdf

Why consider an OEM RNS-E upgrade?:
An aftermarket unit can cost you $2K+. By some measure, some would believe that an aftermarket system would hurt the resale value of your car. So you might want to consider the RNS-E as something of an investment. Plus, if you are someone that tends to keep your cars for a long time (6+ years), then this might be a way of "reviving" the interest in your 5+ year-old car.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=180

:!: Not all Plug and Play adaptors are created equal!!
See this post from Lee Hicks..as it outlines all the potential issues that you might have with your plug/play adaptor between your factory harness and your RNS-E. This info is mostly applicable to the C5 A6 (all years) ...but can be useful for the B5 A4/S4 etc.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1418
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4534
http://www.seas.ucla.edu/~lowe/sat.pdf

Part numbers for pins/connectors:
Useful if you need to modify your plug/play adaptor etc.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=960
See also any updates via www.nsxjr.com (go to downloads section)

Model year 1998-1999 C5 A6:
Stop here, do not go any further. This upgrade will be very difficult (for most) and costly if you have a single DIN Concert head unit and instrument cluster without a digital clock. You will need to invest a lot of $$ to upgrade some electronics in your A6 to support an RNS-E or RNS-D for that matter. I have yet to see or hear of someone making this investment to make it work. See these links for more details:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/546914.phtml
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=878
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/556689.phtml
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=790

Parts needed for pre-2000 C5:
See also this post:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6785#6785

great install pix of Concert I headunit to RNSE:
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=83367

- New instrument cluster - possibly ($700+ from Audi dealer). This will be a tough issue to overcome for most as the newer CAN-enabled instrument clusters work of a newer version of the Immobilizer. Thus trying to install a cluster from a 2000+ A6 will result in numerous "other" faults in the display etc.....so I've been told. For instance, I have had my instrument cluster replaced back on April 2003. The part# (4B0-920-981FX). I believe the "x" denotes a refurbed cluster. I have a 2001 A6 Avant.

See also Sean's link on how to upgrade the cluster:
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/elec106.shtml

- Double-Din radio cage ($200+ from Audi dealer, salvage yard or vagparts.com)
- New Climate Control unit ($600+ from Audi dealer; might be able to get away with modifying your existing unit; see below for more details)
- \:D/ seems like you can add a CAN emulator to convert the analog signals for illumination and ignition power to the CAN signals. Special thanks to Villa for sharing this discovery with the group.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1081

:( Caveats: The OEM Bluetooth components, OEM SAT tuner will not function. Bummer. Installing a cluster from a 2000/2001+ C5 A6 will only lead you to more issues...and probably not worth the trouble.

Source for CANbus emulator:
https://www.euro-parts.us/product.php?productid=16181&cat=263&page=1

Bottom line: Adding the RNSE with a CANbus emulator is doable..but will cost more than other 2000+ C5 owners. Most will find that the RNS-E upgrade for a pre-2000 C5 A6 will be too costly and time consuming and might consider an aftermarket unit instead.

Model year 2000-2001 (possibly 1999.5) C5 A6/Euro-S6/allroad:
These notes are applicable to those who have a double din Symphony I head unit and want to upgrade to the RNS-E. This is also assuming you have a digital clock display in your instrument cluster display. Some late build 2001 models might have the CAN H/L wires in the 20 pin connector; it might be more reliable to just access them from behind the cluster instead.

Installation for pre-2002 C5:
The hardest part will be removing the instrument cluster. You need to do this to tap into the CANbus (High and Low wires) in your cluster. It is also recommended to locate your GPS antenna in that area while the cluster is out.

Dozens of people have done this and have had much success. See these posts for details on how to do it.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70
http://www.vwnavi.com/vwnavi/photos/thumbnails.php?album=57 (follow pix for Sym I to Nav+ for reference in adding two wires/pins for CAN High and CAN Low)
http://home.comcast.net/~mtaylor68/rnseinstall.htm

You should also plan on having access to a VAG-COM. See this thread for specific details:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73

:!: Lots of updated install pix by myself and Lee Hicks (NSX Jr) can be found at www.nsxjr.com (go to downloads section).

:idea: Common install problems in the pre-2002 C5 A6:

http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1476
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1412
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1461
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7921

Parts needed for pre-2002 C5:
:idea: Also, you can order lots of misc car stereo install stuff (colored wire by the foot, butt connectors, wire taps etc..etc) all via www.installer.com Good stuff

1) 4B0-035-192 P (Euro model) or 4B0-035-192 R (US model)

2) GPS antenna with FAKRA connector (source: see for sale section of www.navplus.us or your broker will supply you with one)

3) Plug and Play Connector (source: see for sale section of www.navplus.us or your broker will supply you with one)
Please note: These adaptors are customized for bose, non-bose, OEM/aftermarket telephone interface, CD changer etc. I ordered part# 33405-011 for my 2001 A6 (non-bose, CD changer and aftermarket telephone)

4) Diversity (AM/FM) antenna connector/adaptor: (source: see for sale section of www.navplus.us or your broker will supply you with one)
Please note: The Symphony I and II will have different connectors for the diversity antenna. Therefore: If, Symphony I, you'll need: sku#: 33399. If Symphony II, you'll need sku#: 33398

5) US Map DVD: (source: navteq.com or your broker will supply you with one)
Both the US and Euro (flashed with US firmware) can operate the off the same disk. No modification is needed. This was a small issue with the RNS-D/Nav+. To date, the 2004 map DVD is the most current. The 2005 edition hasn't been tested with the Euro P units yet.

6) Radio removal tools: Four are needed (source: www.samstagsales.com or your broker will supply you with them)

7) 2 pins wires for CANbus (Audi Part#: 000-979-018; order a quantity of one and you'll get two pins connected via one wire) for behind instrument cluster.

8 ) 4 feet of 16 gauge wire (two colors is preferred) for running CAN H and CAN L signal to RNS-E plug/play connector

9) Pin removal tools (Source: can be borrowed from me; these might be needed if you have to move a few wires around in the 20-pin connector to add the two wires for CANbus) http://forums.bostonaudi.org/viewtopic.php?t=3945

What will work with pre-2002 C5:
1) OEM Trunk CD changer: Works great, no issues. Not sure about aftermarket CD changers; your mileage may vary.

2) OEM PhatNoise Phatbox: Works great. No skipping issues like some others had with the RNS-D/Nav+. See links:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=555
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=735
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=774

3) Dension IceLink for Ipod (it has been reported that it works the same way; some believe the trunk version of that connector is more reliable for the RNS-E). See this post for more details: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=590

:!: 3a) OEM Audi Ipod adaptor:
Stay tuned...for installation pix for running this adaptor and OEM SAT tuner together.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9628#9628

4) OEM Sirius or XM Tuner: For those with a pre-2004 C5 A6/S6/allroad/RS6, the SAT tuner was not an option. However, the RNS-E (both models) can be used to control the OEM Sirius or XM tuner. Having the trunk CD changer cable makes it even easier. Plus, you can keep your trunk CD changer or Phatbox (However, you'll need to build a custom interface cable. You can expect to spend an additional $400 on parts for this option (more details will be posted on this in the near future). See these posts for additional background (again, thanks to Lee Hicks for his work in this area):
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=837
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=948
http://audi.barrystuff.com/rs6/satRadio/
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/elec115.shtml

:!: 4a) Installing the SAT tuner and Phatbox, Icelink etc...using the SAT tuners audio "pass-through"
Part #'s, and install instructions can be found here:
Teds/Lee's install instructions available at www.nsxjr.com (go to downloads section)

5) Trunk or HU mounted BlitzSafe audio interface: In theory, these should work fine but, there haven't been too many people using them yet.

6) OEM or 3rd party/aftermarket Hands-free or Bluetooth phone kit: Just make sure your plug and play adaptor has the three wires for the audio interface and tele mute. Other wiring will include tapping into the CANbus (H & L) and probably the K-line (for VAG-COM). Not hard at all.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=772&start=270


Issues/Caveats for pre-2002 C5:
A) Color of RNS-E: The plastic faceplate color is a matte black/grey color and not a glossy black color. Therefore it will not be a perfect match for the rest of your interior plastic. Some folks with the B5 A4/S4 have discovered that you can actually use shoe polish (BLACK KIWI EXPRESS SHINE SPONGE 184-001 shoe polish) to recolor the RNS-E. I was considering this but, decided that it might hurt it's resale value down the road so, I am trying to source a 2002+ climate control module (from a salvage/junk yard) to match the RNS-E.
See this thread:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=242
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2067&highlight=#2067
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1354

B) Climate Control Module: You can replace the faceplate of you climate control unit to a 2002+ color. The swap is pretty easy; you can retain your black "off" button in place of the recirculating "arrow" found in the 2002+ units. See this link for some details for removing the faceplate: http://zener.com/audi/HVAC_cleaning/ These units are about $700+ new from the dealer and can have 4-6 different part#'s depending on the options in your C5 (warm weather package, cold weather package, heated seats, solar sunroof etc..etc). See this picture if you'd like to see the color difference (Thanks to Lee Hicks): http://www.synapps.de/synapps/pub/Main/RNSEInRS4/CIMG1060.JPG

:!: Ted's climate control faceplate swap (pix at www.nsxjr.com)

Trying to source a 2002+ climate control module is very difficult. Most junk yards will probably charge you $200-$400, IF you can find one from a salvaged A6 (see this thread):
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5680#5680

Keep in mind, that adding a 2002+ instrument cluster could expose you to numerous other electrical issues in your C5. You do this at your own risk.

C) Multi-function Steering Wheel (MFSW): To keep these controls, a new (CAN-enabled) steering wheel control module will need to be installed and some rewiring will need to be done. If you have a tiptronic wheel, that will not be affected as the tip controls do not interact with the CANbus in any way. Special thanks to Lee Hicks for figuring this out. See this thread for details, part#'s etc: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=942

=D> Update!! See v1.6 (or newer) of Lee's pdf document. He has confirmed that the newer control module will enable MFSW controls for a pre-2002 A6 (and other models). Download his .pdf for wiring details and parts etc: www.nsxjr.com

D) RNS-E Clock for Nav ETA (estimated time of arrival): The problem: So far, the only downside to running the US s/w on the Euro "P" unit is that the nav clock (in the RNS-E), used for estimating ETA when navigating to a destination can be off by minutes or hours. For some strange reason, the clock info sent from the display (via the CANbus) to the RNS-E doesn't get translated correctly. The clock in the DIS is unaffected just the nav clock for ETA. From the research that I've done, this is only an issue with a 2000/2001 C5 instrument cluster (1st generation CAN enbabled cluster). This is not an issue if you have a 2002-2004 (+2005 allroad) C5 A6/S6/allroad/RS6 and you want to install a "P" unit. I would imagine that the same issue would exist if a US "R" unit were installed. They have yet to find a fix for this....but they are working on it. It is rumored that you can sync up the clock from the instrument cluster and the RNS-E by disconnecting/reconnecting your battery at 12:00 midnight (confirmed that this doesn't fix the problem). To date, this is still an open issue:
:idea: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1386
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1159

E) OEM analog cellular phone: Have yet to see/hear of a RNS-E install and retaining this phone. Those who had this phone as a factory option have typically disconnected it in place of an aftermarket hands-free kit with their digital cellphone. Any OEM phone kit should work as long as you get an adapter with the 3 phone wires. The DIS will only display "Phone" and the RNS-E cannot be used to control the phone interface. For now, we'll consider this an open issue.

F) Factory Nav already installed: Just disconnect the wiring harness from your CD-drive in the trunk and that will shut it off (remember to eject the disk first). As for your existing GPS antenna, it is recommended to install a new antenna in the dash area (see installation posts above). Plus, the connector types in a pre-2002 GPS antenna do not use the FAKRA connectors. See also this thread: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=995

:!: See also Nene's RNS-E install in his 2003 RS6 (where he used this existing GPS antenna (embedded in his OEM sharkfin):
http://www.htms.org/rnse.html

:idea: G) When you are in Nav mode (info in instrument cluster has arrows and street info) the top display section of your cluster will only read one line of display ("MP3", radio station, CD track info etc). You can toggle to the trip computer to get it back to two lines of display. This is not an issue in the 2002+ C5...just the pre-2002. It has to do with the firmware in the newer instrument cluster. Also, I wouldn't try to install a 2002+ cluster as the wiring configuration is different and you'll be opening yourself up to more electrical issues. Do at your own risk.

Model year 2002-2004 A6/S6/RS6/allroad (+2005 allroad):
These notes are applicable to those who have a double din Symphony II head unit and want to upgrade to the RNS-E.

Installation for 2002+ C5:
With these model years, you still need to remove the instrument cluster to run a wire for the GALA speed signal to the RNS-E wiriring harness. It is also recommended to locate your GPS antenna in that area while the cluster is out. Dozens of people have done this and have had much success.

Follow these related install posts:
http://www.vwnavi.com/vwnavi/photos/thumbnails.php?album=57 (follow pix for Sym II to Nav+ for reference)
=D> http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8464
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=852
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59749
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=707
http://www2.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?s=c7578aae3d805c9863abff7df69a2507&threadid=7366

Parts needed for 2002+ C5:
1) 4B0-035-192 P (Euro model) or 4B0-035-192 R (US model)
2) GPS antenna with FAKRA connector (source: see for sale section of www.navplus.us or your broker will supply you with one)
3) Plug and Play Connector (source: see for sale section of www.navplus.us or your broker will supply you with one)
Please note:
4) Diversity (AM/FM) antenna connector/adaptor: (source: see for sale section of www.navplus.us or your broker will supply you with one)
Please note: The Symphony I and II will have different connectors for the diversity antenna. Therefore: If, Symphony I, you'll need: sku#: 33399. If Symphony II, you'll need sku#: 33398
5) US Map DVD: (source: navteq.com or your broker will supply you with one)
Both the US and Euro (flashed with US firmware) can operate the off the same disk. No modification is needed. This was a small issue with the RNS-D/Nav+. To date, the 2004 map DVD is the most current. The 2005 edition hasn't been tested with the Euro P units yet.
6) 5 feet of 16 gauge wire and a wire tap for the tapping the GALA wire behind the instrument cluster and
7) one quantity female pins with wires Audi part#000-979-133; run GALA wire from behind cluster to pin#1 in the black 8 pin connector.
8 ) Radio removal tools: Four are needed (source: www.samstagsales.com or your broker will supply you with them)
:!: 9) For those with a 2002+ C5 with Bose, you will need to either cut the "Bose" wire (pin#1 location in black 8 pin connector III) and tape off...or remove it (using my special wire/pin extraction tool; see pdfs on www.nsxjr.com ) and add a new pin (female pins with wires Audi part#000-979-133) and route that new wire to the GALA/speed signal from behind the instrument cluster. Obviously, if you don't have Bose, then you won't have the "Bose" pin to worry about...and you can route the GALA wire to the open slot in pin#1 connector III). :)


What will work with 2002+ C5:
1) OEM Trunk CD changer: Works great, no issues. Not sure about aftermarket CD changers; your mileage may vary. A CD changer cable might need to be purchased if you have a 2003 or newer C5.

2) OEM PhatNoise Phatbox: Works great. No skipping issues like some others had with the RNS-D/Nav+. See links:
:idea: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9035#9035
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=555
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=735
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=774

3) Dension IceLink for Ipod (it has been reported that it works the same way; some believe the trunk version of that connector is more reliable for the RNS-E). See this post for more details: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=590

:!: 3a) OEM Audi Ipod adaptor:
Stay tuned...for installation pix for running this adaptor and OEM SAT tuner together.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9628#9628

4) OEM Sirius or XM Tuner: See below for caveats. For those with a pre-2004 C5 A6/S6/allroad/RS6, the SAT tuner was not an option. However, the RNS-E (both models) can be used to control the OEM Sirius or XM tuner. Having the trunk CD changer cable makes it even easier. Plus, you can keep your trunk CD changer or Phatbox (However, you'll need to build a custom interface cable. You can expect to spend an additional $400 on parts for this option (more details will be posted on this in the near future). See these posts for additional background (again, thanks to Lee Hicks for his work in this area):
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=837
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=948
http://audi.barrystuff.com/rs6/satRadio/
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/elec115.shtml

:!: 4a) Installing the SAT tuner and Phatbox, Icelink etc...using the SAT tuners audio "pass-through"
Part #'s, and install instructions can be found here:
Teds/Lee's install instructions available at www.nsxjr.com (go to downloads section)

5) OnStar/OEM Digital Cellphone: It has been reported to work in a B6 A4. You'll just need to VAG your Audi to recognize the OEM phone. With OnStar, the words the DIS will only display "Phone" and the RNS-E cannot be used to control the phone interface. Any OEM phone kit should work as long as you get an adapter with the 3 phone wires. See this link for some background: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94

:idea: Also, some folks who have onstar that might want to add the OEM BT kit or an aftermarket BT kit. The issue is that both OnStar and these handsfree kits want to use the same mute, and speaker + / - inputs in the RNS-E. This is still an open issue that is being researched. Stay tuned.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1940

6) Trunk or HU mounted BlitzSafe audio interface: In theory, these should work fine but, there haven't been too many people using them yet.

7) OEM or 3rd party/aftermarket Hands-free or Bluetooth phone kit: Just make sure your plug and play adaptor has the three wires for the audio interface and tele mute. Other wiring will include tapping into the CANbus (H & L) and probably the K-line (for VAG-COM). Not hard at all.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=772&start=270

Issues/Caveats with 2002+ C5 (not really any):
A) no clock issue on the Nav ETA with 2002+ C5 instrument cluster display (see above)

B) no MF steering wheel issue as the 2002+ C5 has a CAN-enabled steering wheel control module (see above)

C) If you already have the OEM Sirius or XM tuner: You will need to purchase a new one ($350 from the dealer). See this thread for part#:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218
If you want to add a phatbox or trunk CD changer and retain your OEM XM or Sirius tuner, see these posts:
http://forums.audiworld.com/audio/msgs/47941.phtml
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=837

:!: Update pix on www.nsxjr.com for how to create a plug/play cable between your SAT tuner and Phatbox etc.

\:D/ Update: If you currently have a 2005 allroad with the Symphony II head unit with OEM Sirius or XM, you shouldn't need to upgrade the SAT tuner module as you will already have the upgraded tuner that will work with the RNS-E.

D) No CD changer cable but want to add PhatBox down the road? If considering adding the CD changer cable for Phatbox etc, you should make sure your plug and play adaptor is configured/accordingly. See my phatbox install post for part#'s etc:
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/496005.phtml
see also, part #'s, and install instructions can be found here at www.nsxjr.com (go to downloads section)

E) Factory Nav already installed: Just disconnect the wiring harness from your CD-drive in the trunk and that will shut it off (remember to eject the disk first). As for your existing GPS antenna, it is recommended to install a new antenna in the dash area (see installation posts above). Plus, some connector types in the 2002+ C5 have a mix of FAKRA and SMB connector types. If you REALLY want to use the GPS antenna in your roofmounted "shark-fin". This will require additional parts and time for running the wires. Follow this thread for more information: http://forums.audiworld.com/s4b6/msgs/255474.phtml (Source: see for sale section of navplus.us or ask your broker) See also this thread: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=995

:!: See also Nene's RNS-E install in his 2003 RS6 (where he used this existing GPS antenna (embedded in his OEM sharkfin):
http://www.htms.org/rnse.html

F) CANbus availability in some 2002+ C5's in regions outside of North America. Will require a CAN emulator to fix. :(
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6331#6331

Sourcing units:
I'm a big fan of the brokers. There have been too many horror stories with people importing Nav units from Germany and them arriving damaged etc...or with busted nav drive. With a broker, you can be sure the unit is bench tested and configured/flashed to the appropriate s/w level etc (you still need to do some vag coding for the cluster etc...but it is minor). To me, that's worth the extra $200 premium. See the for sale section of www.navplus.us for US-based brokers.

Euro ("P") and US ("R") Units:
There is no functional difference between the two units. This changed in mid August 2005 - special thanks to Dirk (aka: AudiA4B6US) for figuring out how to "flash" the Euro unit to operate like a US-spec RNS-E. See this thread for details: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751

The easiest way to distinguish a "P" from a "R" is the "TV" button in the lower left hand corner. In fact, both units will accept an aftermarket A/V interface (e.g. Dietz 1417) as a source and will be recognized in the source menu (even if your US version doesn't have the "TV" button. Here's my research:

1) Price: The R unit is about $3K new from the dealer. And then you have to spend about $400 for the map disk, connectors and adaptors to make it work. The P unit is about $1500 for a complete package. See the For Sale section of this forum for brokers/importers.
2) Both will run the 2004 DVD Map disk; no modification needed to the disk
3) Both will run OEM XM / Sirius tuner module (upgraded module part# needed; about $350 from dealer)
4) Both have the 10 kHz spacing for AM stations (previously an issue in the RNS-D/CD-based Nav+)
5) Both can play an audio CD (if you eject your map disk; original Nav+ couldn't do this) or MP3's off a CD-R (that's roughly 100+ songs) but can't play MP3's burned onto a DVD-R etc.
6) Neither can play a movie DVD in the slot for map disk (this is a commonly asked question)
7) Both can play MP3's via the SD card slots (see quicklinks for more details): http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=889
8 ) Mute Radio / Pause CD play: Some have been able to load the Euro 0300+ software onto a US unit and be able to use the pause/mute feature; only the Euro 0330 and 0360 have will have this capability. This isn't a big deal for most folks who buy the "P" unit with the US 0040 software. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about it..until someone finds a fix. This is still an open issue.
9) Both will accept the Dietz 1417 aftermarket A/V interface (about $200 from Germany). I'm still not certain how I can get video while in motion for my Blaupunkt ME3. I might need to put a switch on the GALA/speed sensor wire (but that will impact the nav performance; not sure). With the Nav+/RNS-D, you had two GALA wires (one for Nav and one for radio. Putting a switch on the radio one allowed you to have video in motion..and not impact the Nav updates. We'll see.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=836
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=749
10) Both can select between North or South streets when applicable.
11) Street colors. At one point, the Euro and US colors were slightly different. For instance, some main roads are red while smaller streets are yellow. The colors are flip-flopped in the "P" unit running US s/w. This is no longer the case with the US s/w. See this thread: http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751&postorder=asc&start=30
12) Both will have the same warning message displayed everytime that you turn on the RNS-E. You just press the button to "accept/dismiss" it and that's it. My mother-in-laws 2001 BMW X5 has the same screen in her Nav. I believe that you will also get that screen if you try to enter in a destination while you are driving (this was never the case with my Euro Nav+/RNS-D..but hey, that's the Europeans for ya....not a care in the world...and less concerned with legal bull-shiat. Ha!)
:idea: 13) Interesting thread on factory warranty (post-RNS-E install):
http://forums.audiworld.com/rs6/msgs/21070.phtml
:idea: 14) OEM RNS-E vs. aftermarket Navs and others:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7847


Not all RNS-E's are created equal:
In the days of the original Nav+ (RNS-D), Europe was the only region that was offered that option. All Nav+ units were identical with one little exception, the color and shape of the faceplate. The B5 A4/S4 and C5 A6/S6 etc all had a different shaped faceplate, but the actual hardware unit was exactly the same across all models. With the RNS-E, the C5 A6 platform (aka "4B0" R or P units) can only get the speed signal via the GALA speed sensor wire. Conversly, the B6/B7 A4/S4 platform (aka "8E0" units) can only get the speed signal via the CANbus. This isn't a major issue but, I thought I would point it out in the event someone thinks they can source an 8E0 unit from Germany and try to make it fit in their A6. Who knows, maybe some will try and make it work.

Adding the OEM "sharkfin" or "submarine" style antenna:- more content on this to be added:
\:D/ Making some progress in this area:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8435#8435

:!: Keep watching www.nsxjr.com for updated install pix. More details to come.

Adding A/V input device:- more content on this to be added
For the C5 A6 folks (and those with a B5 A4/S4), the simplest way to run an A/V signal into the RNS-E is via a Dietz 1417 device. The 1417 will give you a set of RCA inputs (yellow/red/white) for the RNS-E. Once installed, the RNS-E will recognize the input as "TV" under the source menu. I will be installing one in the comming months to retain the usage of my Blaupunk ME3.
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?p=805#805

Thoughts on ME3 (usage etc.)
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=190

They can be sourced here (or check the For Sale section of this forum):
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1136&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Caveat:
Video in motion: The 4B0 units for the C5 A6 chassis have only one GALA/speed wire running to the RNS-E. Therefore, if you want "video-in-motion", you will need to put a switch on that GALA wire. By doing this, your RNS-E will not update it's navigation information as fast (as it is now relying on the GPS signals only) and you will loose the speed sensitive volume control (not much of a big deal). Just keep this in mind if you plan on adding the 1417. FYI - This was not the case with the older RNS-D (CD-based units), there were to GALA sources (one for radio/video in motion and the other for nav updates).


Thanks to Alex and Dirk for helping me edit this post.

Feel free to comment on any of my statements. I will update this as new discoveries are made. Thank you and God bless.
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I did this last night on my 05 allroad

I was surprised to find the Sat radio still working after the install! The RNS-E was an option for the 05 allroad, but mine didn't have it. I wish there would have been a GALA wire back there, but no dice. I pulled the cluster and stuck the GPS antenna back in the cubby.
 

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Re: I did this last night on my 05 allroad

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I was surprised to find the Sat radio still working after the install! The RNS-E was an option for the 05 allroad, but mine didn't have it. I wish there would have been a GALA wire back there, but no dice. I pulled the cluster and stuck the GPS antenna back in the cubby.
Interesting. Good to know. I'll make the edit in the original thread above. I've also been told that the GALA speed sensor wire can be found in the drivers' side kick panel area...as it is linked to the allroad suspension operation. Makes sense. When I have more details...I'll post those as well.
 

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RNS-E install: Part II and III

Ok,
So I have finally finished my install pictures and had them posted online (mucho thanks to Lee Hicks "NSX Jr" for starting his website and hosting my pdfs). If you go to www.nsxjr.com (downloads section) you'll see my old Nav+ install pix (84 slides) and the 56 pdf slides of my RNS-E install (plus Lee's install pix from his 2001 A6)..

Most of the information in those 56 slides is applicable to the pre-2002 crowd (but I included some info for the 2002+ crowd), as the RNS-E install in a 2002+ C5 is very…very straight forward (plus, Nene, Justin and others have thoroughly documented the 2002+ install). In fact, anyone with a B5 A4/S4 can probably benefit from this content too.

Here's what I documented:
1) Slight modifications to plug/play adaptor etc.
(most anyone who installs the RNS-E can benefit from this)

2) Upgrading the climate control faceplate to the 2002+ color (optional activity)
(only applicable to those with a pre-2002 A6/allroad)
Sourcing one of these was a bitch….but anyone who is anal enough will want their dash to look complete.

3) Building plug/play adaptor for OEM SAT tuner and OEM Phatbox or Ipod IceLINK or Blitzsafe audio interface (optional activity)
(most anyone who installs the RNS-E can benefit from this; the parts list will cost you about $50 for this. This assumes that you have the OEM CD changer cable installed.)

Also, for those of you contemplating the RNS-E upgrade, I keep an updated thread on www.navplus.us with all kinds of info for the C5 community (my install pix will be linked in here as well). I updated it every two weeks or so…if there is any new developments that are applicable to the C5 community. All of your questions can be answered by reading this thread and the appropriate links. You should also consider downloading the owners manual (190+ pages) for more info on functionality etc.

Enjoy!
 

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There is at least a wiring chart in the downloads section of my website for RNS-D to RNS-E connections. Fact is, we never got the RNS-D in the USA so all of our parts lists and wiring diagrams do not include any information on them.
 

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anyone have a more elaborate setup info for...

setting up the oem audi ipod to the rnse adapter. without losing the sat radio down the line? like what pins can i kill. since i'm not using a cd changer
 

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setting up the oem audi ipod to the rnse adapter. without losing the sat radio down the line? like what pins can i kill. since i'm not using a cd changer
The OEM iPod adapter is connected exactly the same as a CD changer, and needs all the same pins as the CD changer.
 

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hi,

is it possible to install the RNS-E in my audi a6 from 05/2003, but I don't have a Symphony system, I have the Audi Concert Audio... do I need to buy anything else or how to start ?
 

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timi said:
do I need to buy anything else
Yes, you'll need to buy the parts to convert your centre console from single DIN to double DIN.
 
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