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I know, Ted is working on a nice write-up on how to connect a Phatbox and the SAT radio to the RNS-E and over the last couple of month the were several topics on AudiWorld on how to connect the iPod in our Audis.

Due to limited time I hadn't have the chance to play with the Dension IceLink I got a couple of months ago. I was also disappointed that Dension is not releasing firmware updates anymore because I felt that my 2.05 firmware was not the best possible setup. Since Audi came out with an OEM version of the IceLink I thought I would give that a try rather than hunting down Dension firmware updates.

My Audi iPod adapter came with version A.10. I'm sure there will be the same treasure hunt for Audi iPod updates in the future as it is for the Dension but for now it seems to be working fine (within the limitations of a CD changer like device course). I will go back and update the IceLink to version 2.10 or 2.14 (both available on the Internet) to see if that's an option instead of the Audi adapter.

The other issue I had was that I didn't want to lose my XM radio and therefore I had to collect a couple of plugs, pins and wires before I could get this project started.

After this rather long introduction I'm proud to report that my iPod works just fine together with XM. This is what you need to build a custom SAT+CDC harness between the SAT receiver and the 20pin mini-ISO plug behind the head unit:

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9x pin mini-ISO male (or 5x repair wire part # 000 979 020)
9x pin mini-ISO female (pin only part # N-103-357-06 or N-103-358-07)
3x pin female for terminal housing T8s (or 2x repair wire part # 000 979 018)
1x Connector I mini-ISO housing for male pins
1x Connector I mini-ISO housing for female pins (part # 4B0-972-643)
6m/18ft wire, shielded, 3 conductor, AWG 18-22
2ft wire, AWG 18-22 (only if you are not using repair wires for the mini-ISO male pins)

An easy way to get most of the pins and plugs is to get the PIE AA3-HAR adapter from logjamelectronics.com. You will need to have the pin extraction tool to remove all wires from the plugs but then all you need in addition to the adapter is the 18ft wire and 2 repair wires for the T8s plug.

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To get the audio extension, crimp the pins for the T8s housing to one end of the 3 conductor wire. On the other end get 3 of the mini-ISO male pins crimped.

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In order to get the CD changer control wires to the new 20 pin terminal housing you will need 6 wires with a mini-ISO male pin on one end and a mini-ISO female on the other end.

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Insert the 3 audio wires into position 18, 19 and 20 in the new 20 pin Connector I housing. Insert the 6 remaining wires into 10, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17.

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This is how Connector I looked in my SAT pre-wired 2004 A4. You can see that position 18, 19 and 20 are already used for the SAT audio. The other positions are left free. This is where the 6 wires from our new Connector I go. Carefully insert the pins into the same position on the old Connector I to extend the CD changer control and power wires to the new Connector I. When you are done you will have an empty Connector I available behind the head unit, ready to plug in any CD changer like device.

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Now, all you have to do is to route the 3 audio wires back to the SAT receiver. I did that without removing the trim except the one under the steering wheel. I just stuck the wire under the trim, routed it under the rear seat and rear left trunk trim back to the SAT receiver. The SAT receiver in my B6 A4 Avant is located behind the left trunk trim, inside the black box which would also hold the CD navigation unit. To get the receiver out you would need to remove the trim (which requires to remove a couple other things as well) and the black box. Since I did it already once when I swapped my 1st generation receiver with the new 2nd generation receiver, I was to lazy to do this again this time. I managed to get the two plugs removed from the receiver through the opening in the black box.

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You only need to remove the T8s housing (the one located further left looking at the SAT receiver from inside the trunk) but since it wrapped together with the T8r housing, it's easier to remove both.

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It was a little tricky to get the T8s plug out of the SAT receiver but eventually it worked. Once you got the plugs out, slide the small lid open to get to unlock the pins. You may be able to insert new pins wihtout sliding the lid open but I did it anyway. Once you got the T8s terminal housing out of the SAT receiver you will see that position 3, 4, and 8 are unused. This is where the 3 three pins from our custom audio harness go:

Connector I, position 20, audio right -> T8s, position 4
Connector I, position 19, audio left -> T8s, position 3
Connector I, position 18, audio ground -> T8s, position 8

That's it. If you cannot select the CD changer on your head unit after plugging in a CD changer like device into the new 20 pin Connector I check the following two things:
- Make sure that your head unit is coded to support a CD changer. Some head units will not allow the selection of a CD changer until they got properly coded.
- If you are using an RNS-E adapter make sure that pin 10 is properly connected to CDC-GND. On some adapters this wire is missing. If your CD change like device comes with a separate ground wire you can either connect that ground wire to pin 10 in Connector I or to chassis ground somewhere near the head unit. However, at least in one case the device (a Phatbox) did not work until the ground wire got connected to pin 10.

If you get the Audio OEM iPod adapter you will see that it comes without a female Connector I terminal housing. This is because according to the Audi instructions, you have to remove the SAT audio wires from the exising Connector I and insert the iPod adapter wires into position 10 and 13 to 20. Now, if you got the adapter from logjamelectronics you wil have a spare female terminal housing. If not then you would need to get a 4B0-972-643 to hold the Audi iPod wires.

While playing with the new iPod adapter I also found some nice new features of the US sw 0110. Pressing the FM/AM or CD/SD button now cycles between the different sources - a feature I was used to from the Euro sw 0100 but which was missing in US 0020 (maybe 0040 too). Now with US 0110 you can press FM/AM to cycle between FM/AM/SAT and CD/SD to cycle between CD/CDC/MP3. Which makes it very convinient to change the source.

Another thing I noticed is that the radio or MP3 is mouch louder compared to the iPod. It may be that the additional length of the harness is causing this (I used 20 AWG shielded wires) and that people who connect the iPod directly to the head unit don't hear this. Maybe I'll try some better wires in a future project.

Have fun...
 

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I don't want to steal your secrets... but I assume you connected the iPod audio wires to the SAT tuner audio inputs on plug T8s pins 3,4,8?
 

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Correct. I will post some more details as soon as I find some time but I basically took what you posted about the SAT audio pass-through, ran three wires to the head unit ending in a new 20 pin plug. I also extented the CDC control/power wires from the RNS-E adapter to the new 20 pin plug and voila, I got an empty plug to connect my iPod adapter to, without loosing SAT radio.
 

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Ok.here is my parts list.....for the basic install:

Parts:

1) Audi part#000-979-009 (female pins with wires for T8s connector at SAT tuner); order a quantity of 2 and you will get 4 pins via two wires. Source: www.clairparts.com or www.1stvwparts.com

2) Audi part#000-979-020 (male pins with wires); order a quantity of 2 and you will get 4 pins via two wires. Source: See above.

3) Black shrink tubing – ¼†diameter (to cover any exposed wiring behind head unit). Source: www.Radioshack.com or www.autotoys.com )

4) 3 conductor shielded wire (Shielded wire will help reduce any potential engine/alternator hum/buzz). Source: www.electronicplus.com (order 20 feet of 18 gauge; part#18/3S)



Tools:
1) Radio removal tools (via www.samstagsales.com )
2) Small jewelers screw driver (use for adding female pins to T8s connector)
3) 2†Plastic putty knife and flathead screwdriver (useful when removing interior trim)
4) Black fabric tape (hockey stick tape) and electrical tape
5) Blue painters tape (to use to label wires)
6) Miscellaneous butt connectors
7) Hair dryer (to shrink the heat tubing over the connectors)

stay tuned...
 

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I updated my original post with some pictures and details about the parts used.
 

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AudiA4B6US said:
I updated my original post with some pictures and details about the parts used.
Awesome. I hope folks pay attention to you and Ted and get these things installed the right way with SAT radio.

I wonder why Audi refuses to acknowledge the SAT radio audio inputs... maybe they are just too lazy to have their dealerships run the audio wires to the trunk.
 

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AudiA4B6US said:
I updated my original post with some pictures and details about the parts used.
Thanks Dirk. Good stuff!

The hard thing for most people, will be to locate a:

1x Connector I mini-ISO housing for male pins

Logjamelectronics has them, but it requires most people to need my wire extraction tools. My method, will require fewer parts and will allow you to use the existing 20 pin connector (female) and not need the wire extraction tools.

I'll let you know when they are posted.
 

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Updated the original posting with some more pictures of the SAT receiver location and T8s housing.

TeddyBGame said:
My method, will require fewer parts and will allow you to use the existing 20 pin connector (female) and not need the wire extraction tools.
I thought about that too but then decided to go with a true plug and play harness. I'm sure yours will work as well with fewer parts needed. But mine is really plug and play, except for removing the trim. Since Audi is not interested in this market, maybe one of the other supliers of retrofit harnesses start making those.
 

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AudiA4B6US said:
Updated the original posting with some more pictures of the SAT receiver location and T8s housing.

TeddyBGame said:
My method, will require fewer parts and will allow you to use the existing 20 pin connector (female) and not need the wire extraction tools.
I thought about that too but then decided to go with a true plug and play harness. I'm sure yours will work as well with fewer parts needed. But mine is really plug and play, except for removing the trim. Since Audi is not interested in this market, maybe one of the other supliers of retrofit harnesses start making those.
Great pix. Well documented. Looks like you sourced the 3 conductor shielded wire from the same source as I. You gotta love specialty wire-by-the foot.

I might borrow some of your pix for my pdf. With the C5 cars (especially those with the retrofitted RNS-E), adding your extra connectors will make it extremely hard to push the RNS-E back into place. In the B5/B6/B7, this won't be a problem. Stay tuned.
 

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The SAT has an extra audio input?

I'm surprised to learn about it just in this forum. I really wonder why Audi isn't acknowledging it.
 

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Isn't running your audio pair back to the SAT receiver the same as tapping the into the lines behind the radio? Is the pass-thru on the sat active or something? (just instaslled RNS-E "J" in my B7 A4 and am looking to integrate IceLink)

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No, it is not the same. The difference is connecting things in parallel or in series (AKA, the wrong way or the right way).
 
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