PROJECT: Bluetooth TEL module for US Audi RNS-E

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PROXUS

Discussion Starter · Aug 16, 2005

Since Craigyb test proved that BT TEL module is working on European units, I decided to make some tests for US market. I know that plenty of people will be interested in that MOD so I will post my findings here.

I spoke with few Audi techs and they are confirmed that AOA offer 2 TEL modules (nobody could confirmed BT functionality but it says "wireless" in specs)

1st one is for pre 2005.5 cars
8E0 862 335

2nd is for 2006+ cars
8P0 862 335 B

This would actually prove theory that newest module is marked with letter closest to the begining of alphabet:

8P0 862 335 D Â» Euro unit tested by Craigyb
8P0 862 335 C Â» newer Euro unit tested by Craigyb
8P0 862 335 B Â» newest US unit

I could be wrong in naming those units Euro / US...it's a slide chance that all those units are cross-platform and will work in US and EU cars (which was the case with Dietz 1417). Either way all those units comes with similar pricing.

Approximate Euro unit cost:
220.00 GBP = 397.628 USD

Approximate US unit cost:
$490 - $540 (depends on dealer)

My second step is to order one of those US units and test it on my US RNS-E. If you know any info that could help this project let me know. This will make this process as panless as possible :wink:

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AudiA4B6US

· #2 · Aug 16, 2005

Thanks for starting this mod!

craigyb

· #3 · Aug 16, 2005

I also tested the C unit and that worked pretty much the same as the D, but I did not get the SIM logo on the screen.

Craig

PROXUS

Discussion Starter · #4 · Aug 16, 2005

Do you have any part numbers for cable?
I'm trying to put all those parts together :lol:

PROXUS

Discussion Starter · #5 · Aug 16, 2005

I found something interesting on motor-talk.de:

Das ganze bezieht sich jetzt auf Fahrzeuge der ersten Reihe wo es zwar die neue FSE aber noch kein BT gab scheinbar.

Aber zurÃ¼ck zum Thema, der NachrÃ¼stung von BT bei den ersten Modellen....(wird etwas lÃ¤nger)

Es gibt unter der Teilenummer 8P0 035 503 E die Bluetooth-Antenne zu kaufen, diese wird direkt an SteuergerÃ¤t angesteckt.

Das SteuergerÃ¤t befindet sich im FahrerfuÃŸraum in der E-Box unterhalb des Teppichs.

Und es gibt 2 eigentlich 3 SteuergetrÃ¤te fÃ¼r telefon.
Einmal das 8P0 862 335, welches sich jetzt ins Nachfolgemodell ersetzt, welches 8P0 862 335 A heisst. Und dann gibts noch das 8P0 862 335 D, welches ab ca. Modelljahr 05 verbaut wird und leider einen neuen Kabelbaum im Innenraum erforderlich macht.Also fÃ¤llt auch dies eigentlich raus !

Angeblich sollen alle SteuergerÃ¤te BT unterstÃ¼tzen , da es die im A4 auch gibt, und dort auch auf die BT-Tauglichkeit mit den 8P0 SteuergerÃ¤ten hingewiesen wird.

Jetzt gibts mehrer MÃ¶glichkeiten:
a) Du hast ein SteuergerÃ¤t welches BT kann, aber keine Antenne verbaut,und ist wahrscheinlich deaktiviert.

b) Dein SteuergerÃ¤t kann theoretisch BT, hat auch Antenne und ist aber nicht freigeschaltet !

c) Du hast ein SteuergerÃ¶t welches einfach zu alt ist und kein BT kann, bzw. keinen Steckplatz fÃ¼r die Antenne am SteuergerÃ¤t vorhanden ist.

LÃ¶sungen :

Als erstes wÃ¤re es am einfachsten zum HÃ¤ndler zu fahren, den tester, geht auch mit VAGCOM, und dann Telefon (glaub adresswort 77), dann anpassung (10) , kanal 133, der Wert muss 1 lauten, 0 bedeutet DEAKTIVIERT !

Ist das aktiviert oder worden, und es geht nicht, muss man den Teppich ausbauen und ins/aufs SteuergerÃ¤t schauen. Antenne vorhanden ?
Wenn nein, oben aufgefÃ¼hrte kaufen (knapp 15 Euro), reinstecken sofern Steckbuchse vorhanden und testen. Gehts freuen, wenn nicht weiter.

Jetzt wirds teuer. Neues SteuergerÃ¤t mit Endung A bestellen, verbauen, neu codieren, ggf. noch antenne wenn noch nicht vorhanden kaufen, und dann sollte es auf alle fÃ¤lle gehen !

Leider kostet das SteuergerÃ¤t Ã¼ber 200 Euro, was die Entscheidung nicht sehr leicht macht.

Gut, damit sollte das endgÃ¼ltig vom Tisch sein, ich wÃ¼rde mich jedoch Ã¼ber Erfolgs/Misserfolgsmeldungen und/oder Fotos von den SteuergerÃ¤ten und der Einbaubox freuen, sicher viele andere hier auch.

Eine generelle nachrÃ¼stung der kompletten originalen Anlage halte ich allein schon aufgrund der Befestigung am A-Brett auch fÃ¼r viel teuer und aufwendig...man wird locker das 3-4 fache von jedem nachrÃ¼stsatz von Nokia/siemens oder anderen los.

If I understand correctly, the newest module in EU is marked with "A"

also..

Die Interfaceboxen mit 8P0 als anfangsnummer sollten nach angabe Audi alle BT besitzen, ab werk wurden anfangs jedoch die 8E0 verbaut, die auch im A4 verwendung fanden (gleichteil) welche kein BT hatten.

...which states that all TEL modules starting with 8P0 are Bluetooth enabled and 8E0 is the oldest (pre 8P0) unit.

there is more at: THIS LINK

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AudiA4B6US

· #6 · Aug 16, 2005

OK, the way I understand this is:

8P0 862 335 and 8P0 862 335A are first generation phone interfaces with two plugs (18+32 or so), 8P0 862 335D/E/C and second generation with a single 54pin plug. 8P0 862 335D was introduced in Euro MY05 replacing the 8P0 862 335A. 8P0 862 335A is a plug and play upgrade for 8P0 862 335, 8P0 862 335C is a plug and play upgrade for 8P0 862 335D and 8P0 862 335E (any other upgrades requires a new harness or adapter because of the different plugs).

In the early days Audi used the A4 unit starting with 8E0 in the A3/8P as well. Now both models are sharing the 8P0 units. In theory all 8P0 should support BT but the 8E0 don't.

Besides the part/index number of the phone interface, there is also a software version. The newest software comes with the 8P0 862 335C and supports all the different features we are looking for. Older interfaces may be upgraded but the new software is currently not available on CD, therefore the only way to get the new features is to get the 8P0 862 335C.

The question is what features are supported by the US 8P0 862 335B interface and why does Craig not see the provider even though he is using the newest interface together with the EU 0360 RNS-E software. Is there something else missing or does this depend on the phone as well?

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PROXUS

Discussion Starter · #7 · Aug 16, 2005

I guess we are about to find out

I ordered one today. the lowest price I found was $480.69 from Clairparts.
It should be here Monday or so

craigyb

· #8 · Aug 16, 2005

The cable I made myself using a 54 pin connector, I will post some pics later if you want to buy one from me.

Craig

PROXUS

Discussion Starter · #9 · Aug 16, 2005

Yes, PM me info for payment etc.

daviddv

· #10 · Aug 16, 2005

PROXUS said:
Since

I spoke with few Audi techs and they are confirmed that AOA offer 2 TEL modules (nobody could confirmed BT functionality but it says "wireless" in specs)

1st one is for pre 2005.5 cars
8E0 862 335

2nd is for 2006+ cars
8P0 862 335 B

This would actually prove theory that newest module is marked with letter closest to the begining of alphabet:

Do you have any thoughts on a 2005.5 B7 S4? Or would that be treated as a 8E0 862 335?

PROXUS

Discussion Starter · #11 · Aug 16, 2005

I would say B7 will fall under 2006+ category.
For those you will probably need the same unit I have ordered 8P0 862 335 B. I will get it next week so I will be able to say more about it.

350AWHP

· #12 · Aug 16, 2005

If you need me to order one I get European Spec parts at 30% below cost...for example I bought Stephan a color cluster for half off of retail.

AudiA4B6US

· #13 · Aug 16, 2005

350AWHP said:
If you need me to order one I get European Spec parts at 30% below cost...for example I bought Stephan a color cluster for half off of retail.

I should have known earlier :x

craigyb

· #14 · Aug 17, 2005

Loom pic as requested... you can see the 54 pin connector and longer mic lead with 2 pin connector.

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PROXUS

Discussion Starter · #15 · Aug 18, 2005

Just found out that Audi doesn't have even one US module in stock in US. :evil:
They are not shipped yet from Germany and it will take around month to get them here..... damn, damn ..damn. ](*,)

..anyway

can someone post MIC and antenna part #s so I can order then all together

one more thing....Craigyb, can you post / send diagram how did you connected wires in your loom? I want to be sure that it'll work with US box before I buy it. I'll appriciate it [-o<

AudiA4B6US

· #16 · Aug 18, 2005

OEM BT retrofit project on Motor-Talk.de: FSE "Blauzahn" NachrÃ¼sten bei RNS-E (German)

And Kufatec offers now the harness to retrofit the OEM BT interface
Kabelbaum Handyvorbeitung Bluetooth fÃ¼r den Audi A4 8E

Lanny, any details on this?

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BayrischerS4

· #17 · Aug 18, 2005

They are part of my next order that I am currently placing and I will have a price for them tomorrow.

AudiA4B6US

· #18 · Aug 18, 2005

BayrischerS4 said:
They are part of my next order that I am currently placing and I will have a price for them tomorrow.

On the Kufatec page it says it's for the mounting bracket on the dash board. Is there a harness for the mounting bracket in the center arm rest as well?

PROXUS

Discussion Starter · #19 · Aug 18, 2005

Is that mean BayrischerS4 that you will sell those in US?
That would be great because I'm not ordering from Kufatec (especially via DHL)...they got great products but it takes months to get it

AudiA4B6US

· #20 · Aug 18, 2005

PROXUS said:
Is that mean BayrischerS4 that you will sell those in US?
That would be great because I'm not ordering from Kufatec (especially via DHL)...they got great products but it takes months to get it

I guess you missed something :lol:
http://www.navplus.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=519

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