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After a great deal of frustration, I finally got the Phatbox to work properly with the RNS-E.

I searched the forums here and at phatnoise.com, but I didn't see anybody else in the world that had the same problems I was having. So, maybe this problem is only particular to me, in which case this post is here only to help me out in the future when I have this problem again for some reason...

First off, let me say that you won't get anywhere until you upgrade the phatbox firmware to the latest version for Audi (I think it's version 7.02 as of today).

Here are the problems I was having:

The first problem I had was that I couldn't get the phatbox to accept the fact that I was using the RNS-E. I got the Phatbox Radio Setup Guide from here:
http://www.phatnoise.com/audi/support.htm
And I was able to figure out that the RNS-E is referred to by the phatbox as "Radio Type T". So I go to the CD6 menu and then hit the > button until I get to Radio Type T (I think it was track 24). When I pressed the RNS-E control knob, it just said "Please read the Radio Setup Guide for more information". But what it was supposed to say was "Radio Type T selected". This turned out to be a big clue that something wasn't right.

But at first, I just ignored this little problem and went right ahead with using the phatbox. It mostly worked, but there were a few minor details...

When I hit SCAN, instead of getting all the ID3 tag info, all I got was the Playlist. Not very useful. But I learned to live without a SCAN button on my D-Navi (in my other car) so I figured I could learn to live without it in this car.

Next, when I tried to select an artist (CD4) I could scroll through the artists one-by-one by hitting the > or < buttons. But if I held down the < or > button it did NOT scroll through the alphabet ("A, B, C, D, ...") So if I was on, say, Led Zeppelin and I wanted to hear Aphex Twin, that meant I would have to hit the < button about 500 times. Not too good.

Finally, when I tried to put the phatbox into Random mode, it appeared to be non-functioning. You can go to CD Control, and you can hit "MIX", and it will say "CD MIX" at the top of the screen...but if you tried to skip to the next song, it was always just the next song in order of the playlist...never random.

Now the solutions:

***To get the phatbox to accept your selection of "Radio Type T", here's what you have to do:
1) Select CD6. This gets you to the feature menu. Duh.
2) Hit < or > to get to your radio type. In my case, it's the RNS-E which is Radio Type T (for my other car, it's the D-Navi which is Radio Type S) -- DO NOT press the Control Knob. This ALWAYS fails.
3) Quick! Now you have to hit the "CD Control" Control Button, and then rotate the Control Knob until you have "SCAN" selected. If you were fast enough, then the voice is still talking, telling you that this is "Radio Type T". NOW, press the Control Knob. This time, provided you were quick enough, the voice says "Radio Type T selected", and you know you've done it! If not, go back and try it again. It's really fun. Pretend it's a video game. Whee!

Now your SCAN button should work fine, and it should read off the entire ID3 tag, including Track Title (if you selected that option in the Phatnoise Music Manager).


***To scan through the alphabet when looking for an artist, you use a very similar trick:
1) Select CD4. This gets you to the Artist Selection menu. Duh.
2) Quick! Hit the "CD Control" control button. Now, rotate the Control Knob until either << or >> is selected. Now you can hold down the Control Knob, and the voice will say the letters of the alphabet, allowing you to quickly speed to the artist you want.


***To hear songs in random sequence, here's what you do:
1) Select a mode to be in (Playlist, Album, Artist, or Genre) using the appropriate CD#. Duh.
2) Now, go to CD Control. Select "MIX" and press the Control Knob.
3) Now, no more touching the Control Knob or < or > buttons!!! Seriously. If you rotate the Control Knob or press the < or > buttons, the MIX setting gets very shy and disappears. It should say "CD 1 MIX" at the top of the screen.
4) Now you can go and do your NAV or NAME tasks. You can look at the map, you can plan a route, you can enter names and addresses and phone numbers into your directory. You can do anything but touch the < or > buttons, and you'll be fine: the songs will play in random sequence.

So there you are. Now your phatbox has about 95% of the capability it had before (the only thing you can't do is skip to the next song while in random mode).
 

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Good stuff. Thanks for documenting it all for us.

Yes, the RNS-E is a little quirky with the Phatbox...and takes a little while to figure out how to navigate through the various displays.

The only thing that I think it can't do is scroll through the playlists like (A-B-C-D etc)....just in artist mode. I haven't checked to see if I can scroll through album and genre in this manner...so I'm not sure.
 

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The not being able to go to the next random song thing drives me absolutely crazy! This works perfectly on the Symphony. If you're listening to a random list and it hits a song by an artist you aren't in the mood to hear, you're screwed. If you hit the next track button, you get to hear another song by the artist you aren't in the mood to hear.

I hate how UNwell the Phatnoise works with the RNS-E.
 

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Thanks for the tips...............

For peiple who don't like computer games with the control knob: edit the phatnoise.ini file on your home PC and take care that the [Radio type T] part of the .ini file is copied to the pRadio type ..] part, where .. is the radio type you did use before the RNS-E! When the Phatnoise now starts up, it will still think it is type .., but of course will behave like a type T!

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I'm currently working on a custom phatbox configuration for specific use with the RNS-E head unit.

I'm going to make it so you don't have to "rush" to push any buttons and navigating the Phatbox with the RNS-E head unit will be a lot better.

Some people may not like it set up the way I would think, so if anyone wants to help out on this please contact me.

I've already got a starting point but it needs some tweaking.

If anyone wants to see what I've got so far. Mount your DMS, open the PHTSYS partition. Look for the phatbox.ini (configuration) file. Make a backup copy of this file and save it. Open the file up, look for the section for the RNS-E (Radio Type T) which is under Audi/VW 7.3. Scroll down until you see the "audioid" information text. Replace ALL audioid information with the following.

*remember to make a backup of your phatbox.ini file first. In case you want it back to original.




Code:
audioid.0.0=PLAY 
audioid.0.1=SYNC 
audioid.0.2=STOP 
audioid.0.3=TITLE 
audioid.0.4=WAIT 10 
audioid.0.5=CURRENT 
audioid.0.6=TITLE 
audioid.0.7=WAIT 20 
audioid.0.8=CURRENT 
audioid.0.9=TITLE 
audioid.0.10=WAIT 60 
audioid.0.11=CURRENT 
audioid.0.12=TITLE 
audioid.0.13=WAIT 120 
audioid.0.14=/dos/tts/beep3.wav 
audioid.0.15=END 
audioid.0.16=WAIT 1.7 
audioid.0.17=PLAY 
audioid.0.18=SYNC 
audioid.1.0=PLAY 
audioid.1.1=SYNC 
audioid.1.2=STOP 
audioid.1.3=WAIT 1.5 
audioid.1.4=/dos/tts/beep1.wav 
audioid.1.5=CURRENT 
audioid.1.6=TITLE 
audioid.1.7=WAIT 10 
audioid.1.8=CURRENT 
audioid.1.9=TITLE 
audioid.1.10=WAIT 20 
audioid.1.11=CURRENT 
audioid.1.12=TITLE 
audioid.1.13=WAIT 60 
audioid.1.14=CURRENT 
audioid.1.15=TITLE 
audioid.1.16=WAIT 120 
audioid.1.17=/dos/tts/beep5.wav 
audioid.1.18=END 
audioid.1.19=WAIT 0.7 
audioid.1.20=PLAY 
audioid.1.21=SYNC 
audioid.2.0=PLAY 
audioid.2.1=SYNC 
audioid.2.2=STOP 
audioid.2.3=WAIT 1.5 
audioid.2.4=/dos/tts/beep2.wav 
audioid.2.5=BROWSING 
audioid.2.6=CURRENT 
audioid.2.7=TITLE 
audioid.2.8=WAIT 10 
audioid.2.9=CURRENT 
audioid.2.10=TITLE 
audioid.2.11=WAIT 20 
audioid.2.12=CURRENT 
audioid.2.13=TITLE 
audioid.2.14=WAIT 60 
audioid.2.15=CURRENT 
audioid.2.16=TITLE 
audioid.2.17=WAIT 120 
audioid.2.18=/dos/tts/beep5.wav 
audioid.2.19=END 
audioid.2.20=WAIT 1.7 
audioid.2.21=PLAY 
audioid.2.22=SYNC 
audioid.3.0=/dos/tts/beep3.wav 
audioid.3.1=ARTIST 
audioid.3.2=ALBUM 
audioid.3.3=TITLE
 

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Here is my current setup:

Code:
[VWAudi_v7_3]
auto_pong=on
menu.wait=5
menu.0.numitems=64
menu.1.audio=/dos/tts/it_help.mp3
menu.1.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/se_help.mp3
menu.2.audio=/dos/tts/it_extra_help_en.mp3
menu.2.action=VPON:/dos/tts/se_extra_help_en.mp3
menu.3.audio=/dos/tts/it_extra_help_dis.mp3
menu.3.action=VPOFF:/dos/tts/se_extra_help_dis.mp3
menu.4.audio=/dos/tts/it_about.mp3
menu.4.action=FIRMWARE_VERSION
menu.5.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/a.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.6.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/b.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.7.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/c.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.8.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/d.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.9.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/e.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.10.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/f.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.11.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/g.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.12.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/h.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.13.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/i.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.14.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/j.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.15.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/k.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.16.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/l.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.17.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/m.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.18.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/n.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.19.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/o.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.20.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/p.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.21.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/q.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.22.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/r.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.23.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/s.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.24.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/t.alpha.mp3;SLEEP:5;PLAY:/dos/tts/it_radio_type_help.mp3
menu.25.audio=/dos/tts/it_rand_all.mp3
menu.25.action=MAGRANDON:/dos/tts/se_rand_all.mp3
menu.26.audio=/dos/tts/it_rand_cur_list.mp3
menu.26.action=MAGRANDOFF:/dos/tts/se_rand_cur_list.mp3
menu.45.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/a.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.46.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/b.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.47.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/c.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.48.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/d.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.49.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/e.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.50.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/f.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.51.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/g.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.52.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/h.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.53.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/i.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.54.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/j.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.55.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/k.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.56.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/l.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.57.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/m.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.58.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/n.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.59.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/o.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.60.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/p.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.61.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/q.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.62.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/r.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.63.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/s.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
menu.64.action=PLAY:/dos/tts/radiotype.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/t.alpha.mp3;PLAY:/dos/tts/selected.mp3
audioid.0.0=PLAY 
audioid.0.1=SYNC 
audioid.0.2=STOP 
audioid.0.3=TITLE 
audioid.0.4=WAIT 10 
audioid.0.5=CURRENT 
audioid.0.6=TITLE 
audioid.0.7=WAIT 20 
audioid.0.8=CURRENT 
audioid.0.9=TITLE 
audioid.0.10=WAIT 60 
audioid.0.11=CURRENT 
audioid.0.12=TITLE 
audioid.0.13=WAIT 120 
audioid.0.14=/dos/tts/beep3.wav 
audioid.0.15=END 
audioid.0.16=WAIT 1.7 
audioid.0.17=PLAY 
audioid.0.18=SYNC 
audioid.1.0=PLAY 
audioid.1.1=SYNC 
audioid.1.2=STOP 
audioid.1.3=WAIT 1.5 
audioid.1.4=/dos/tts/beep1.wav 
audioid.1.5=CURRENT 
audioid.1.6=TITLE 
audioid.1.7=WAIT 10 
audioid.1.8=CURRENT 
audioid.1.9=TITLE 
audioid.1.10=WAIT 20 
audioid.1.11=CURRENT 
audioid.1.12=TITLE 
audioid.1.13=WAIT 60 
audioid.1.14=CURRENT 
audioid.1.15=TITLE 
audioid.1.16=WAIT 120 
audioid.1.17=/dos/tts/beep5.wav 
audioid.1.18=END 
audioid.1.19=WAIT 0.7 
audioid.1.20=PLAY 
audioid.1.21=SYNC 
audioid.2.0=PLAY 
audioid.2.1=SYNC 
audioid.2.2=STOP 
audioid.2.3=WAIT 1.5 
audioid.2.4=/dos/tts/beep2.wav 
audioid.2.5=BROWSING 
audioid.2.6=CURRENT 
audioid.2.7=TITLE 
audioid.2.8=WAIT 10 
audioid.2.9=CURRENT 
audioid.2.10=TITLE 
audioid.2.11=WAIT 20 
audioid.2.12=CURRENT 
audioid.2.13=TITLE 
audioid.2.14=WAIT 60 
audioid.2.15=CURRENT 
audioid.2.16=TITLE 
audioid.2.17=WAIT 120 
audioid.2.18=/dos/tts/beep5.wav 
audioid.2.19=END 
audioid.2.20=WAIT 1.7 
audioid.2.21=PLAY 
audioid.2.22=SYNC 
audioid.3.0=/dos/tts/beep3.wav 
audioid.3.1=TITLE 
audioid.3.2=ARTIST 
audioid.3.3=ALBUM
audioid.3.4=PLAY
audioid.3.5=SYNC
What you can expect is:


The main change is that the system does not do previewing of tracks. Instead, it sits there waiting for you to continue moving through "playlists/artists/albums/genre". Which ever one your on at the time.

Also it does not drop back into track mode automaticaly. When you find the "playlist/artist/album/genre" you want, you'll need to move back to CD 1 "manually" to commence playback. To do this on the RNS-E you'll need to hit the "CD LIST" and then select the CD 1 and it will start playing. I think this gives you more control. For example, if you are moving through your artist list thinking of who to listen to you can leave the radio to negotiate something tricky on the road then come back to continue browsing the same selection when it has passed.

Also, the prompts remind of where you are after 10, 20 and 60 seconds - just in case the traffic lights you went through scrubbed your mind! Currently, the unit gives up and drops back into track mode after 2 minutes of waiting. This can be changed to any amount of time if you feel it needs to be longer.

I also fixed the wait times so that you don't ever (hopefully) hear audio fading in as a result of the head unit disk change mute.

Don't forget to do a backup of your existing phatbox.ini first though.

And then, copy & paste the above info into the section of our head unit phatbox.ini (configuration) file, if you want to give it a try. To find it, mount your DMS, click on the PHTSYS partition, open the phatbox.ini (configuration) file up in notepad. Scroll about 3/4 of the way down and look for the section: [VWAudi_v7_3] and then replace that text with the new one above.

When your done you don't need to save/eject the DMS thru Phatnoise Media Manager, as that way will take way to long. Especially since your not changing or adding any mp3 files on the DMS. You just changing the behavior. So all you'll need to do is go to "Device Eject" under Phatnoise Media Manager in the All Programs in Windows.

Let me know if you find anything we can add or if you find something that could be changed.

I really think this setup works well, especially so you don't have to rush and keep hitting buttons to keep your place on the RNSE. As we all know it kinda sucks to start looking for a song, then get close to it and something happen and then the Phatbox reverts back to where it was.

Also, understand that adding this to the phatbox.ini won't hurt anything on your Phatbox. All this does is change the behavior of the Phatbox when buttons are pressed.
 

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an update to mister dr's original post:

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***To hear songs in random sequence, here's what you do:
1) Select a mode to be in (Playlist, Album, Artist, or Genre) using the appropriate CD#. Duh.
2) Now, go to CD Control. Select "MIX" and press the Control Knob.
3) Now, no more touching the Control Knob or < or > buttons!!! Seriously. If you rotate the Control Knob or press the < or > buttons, the MIX setting gets very shy and disappears. It should say "CD 1 MIX" at the top of the screen.
4) Now you can go and do your NAV or NAME tasks. You can look at the map, you can plan a route, you can enter names and addresses and phone numbers into your directory. You can do anything but touch the < or > buttons, and you'll be fine: the songs will play in random sequence.

So there you are. Now your phatbox has about 95% of the capability it had before (the only thing you can't do is skip to the next song while in random mode).
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As of the new 0150 firmware in the RNSE for those of us in the US, the MIX / shuffle capability is now fixed and you don't need to keep the "MIX" button highlighted in the CD CONTROL menu. Good stuff!!
 
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