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I already searched EVERYWHERE on this board so be patient and kind I am about to loose my mind here.

I am installing the BT kit I got rom Proxus. I am having a BIG problem with the wiring and have some questions.

1. Where do I splice the wires from the BT wiring loom, at the RNS-e connector or one of the 3 connectors to the vehicle wiring harness, or does it matter.

2. My Can L spot on the D9 connector is empty with no wire going to the RNS-e unit.

3. Tel Mute wire came with a push in plug, but accord. to the wiring diagram's I have seen it needs to be spliced somewhere to another wire.

My car is a 2003 Audi RS6 and it came from the factory with the phone prep as it does already have a microphone for it as were as Telematics I assume, do I still need to hook up and install the mike that I was given in my kit.

I would appreciate any help you can give me so I can get this bad boy installed.


Thank you

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1. at the adapter / harness
2. If your NAV is working then you have both CANs
3. If you have harness TEL ready then your MUTE wire pin space is probably taken. You will need either patch to this wire or replace it with new one.

I have scheduled 2 intstallations over next couple days so I will try to record video instructions.
 

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PROXUS said:
I have scheduled 2 intstallations over next couple days so I will try to record video instructions.
That would be great! :D
 

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Proxus,
Thanks for you help, I emailed Haggie to see what we can do and will keep you posted as I am sure I will need your help again when I get this resollved.

Thanks Again,

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Bajo,
for your C5, you'll have these wires to run:

1 - KL.30 (constant power from below dash with 5 amp fuse)
2 - KL.31 (primary ground from below dash)
8 - NF OUT+ (tele speaker +; splice into plug/play harness)
9 - NF OUT- (tele speaker -; splice into plug/play harness)
11 - MIC IN+ (part of mic harness; no splicing required)
12 - MIC IN- (part of mic harness; no splicing required)
15 - K (VAG com signal; splice into plug/play harness)
16 - Mute (tele mute; splice into plug/play harness)
17 - CAN H (splice into plug/play harness)
18 - CAN L (splice into plug/play harness)

It's pretty simple.
 

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TeddyBGame said:
Bajo,
for your C5, you'll have these wires to run:

1 - KL.30 (constant power from below dash with 5 amp fuse)
2 - KL.31 (primary ground from below dash)
8 - NF OUT+ (tele speaker +; splice into plug/play harness)
9 - NF OUT- (tele speaker -; splice into plug/play harness)
11 - MIC IN+ (part of mic harness; no splicing required)
12 - MIC IN- (part of mic harness; no splicing required)
15 - K (VAG com signal; splice into plug/play harness)
16 - Mute (tele mute; splice into plug/play harness)
17 - CAN H (splice into plug/play harness)
18 - CAN L (splice into plug/play harness)

It's pretty simple.
Teddy,

Thanks I got the wiring all done thanks to Proxus (he did them for me) but seems that the unit I got is for a A4 and will not allow the coding to be changed in order to tell it to accept the Bluetooth kit, we paired my phone with the BT kit with no problem its just not going thru the RNS-e.
Proxus can actually word my problem better than me if he would chime in please.

Thanks again to all who have helped so far.

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Teddy,

I made attempt to code RNS-e for TEL functionality but VAG doesn't take any changes. Later I found that actual part number is 8E0 035 192 C not 4B0 035 192 P even that face is from A6 unit. Usually it shouldn't matter because NAV functionality is OK but when you try connect the phone, it is impossible to recode it for either TEMIC or TELEMATICS.

To eliminate all other possibilities I connected with VAG directly to TEL module and coded with no problems. We managed to connect and pair cell with module and we made a call (with some volume problems but this is different story). The only thing is that RNS-E can't detect TEL module because it doesn't allow VAG changes.

He will need pretty much different unit with correct part number and open CAN channel. Once he got it, it will require just a VAG coding ant that's it ;)
 

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PROXUS said:
Teddy,

Usually it shouldn't matter because NAV functionality is OK but when you try connect the phone, it is impossible to recode it for either TEMIC or TELEMATICS.
The only thing is that RNS-E can't detect TEL module because it doesn't allow VAG changes.

He will need pretty much different unit with correct part number and open CAN channel. Once he got it, it will require just a VAG coding ant that's it ;)
Hi guys, this is new to me: Is bluetooth depending on whether you have an A4 or A6 unit?? Isn't there another way Bajo can get this unit to work without completely swapping the unit?

Any help is welcome on this part! TIA!
 

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My 8E0 035 192 C running US sw 0110 works fine with my "B" BT FSE. I also briefly tested it with my 8E0 035 192 E, no issue either.

I have never read that there is a functional difference between the A4 and A6 units. On the other hand does it seem that more people here are installing the BT FSE than on any other forum. Therefore we may read more about issues here than elsewhere.
 

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AudiA4B6US said:
My 8E0 035 192 C running US sw 0110 works fine with my "B" BT FSE. I also briefly tested it with my 8E0 035 192 E, no issue either.

I have never read that there is a functional difference between the A4 and A6 units. On the other hand does it seem that more people here are installing the BT FSE than on any other forum. Therefore we may read more about issues here than elsewhere.
What I gathered from when Alex was trying to recode my RNS-e is (simple words) is that my Nav unit would not allow him to tell my RNS-e to accept my BT module as to where they work together. He tried a couple of times but could not change the coding to where it accepts the phone module.
I am totally at a loss here as this is all too techincal in terms for me but makes sense as well, my RNS-e will not talk to or accept my BT module so that I can get my BT working thru the Nav unit. Hopefully with all the great minds here something can (hopefully) be done so that I can get this thing working, spent too much money on all these toys and I dont want to buy another Nav unit as mine (current) system would not be wnated by anyone if it doesnt/cant get all the functionallity as other ones, nor would I like to try to sell it to someone under the pretenses that it would and clearly knowing that it wont if that is the case.
I know this can be worked out (optimist in me :) ) and thanks to all of you helping and Haggie thank you for your quick reply you have always been there whenever I had any issue's or questions, that is why you are such a valued seller here.


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Let me explain it again ;)

Any RNS-E need to be "told" that TEL interface is connected, to enable external module protocols for showing all functionality. This iw why coding STG 56 is so important if you plan to add TEL.

In this case it is not possible because Flash on Fujitsu MBM 29Xl12DF is corrupted. It can easy happen when you (re)program the chip trying to program or read security code. To give you example...if someone lost security code, he need to unsolder EEPROM then read 16Mb flash file to retrieve security code or to write new one. Then you need to put this EEPROM back on motherboard. It is very delicate and time consuming not to mention that you need hot-air soldering station). If someone doesn't know how to do it properly, he can very easy corrupt flash and this way access via VAG will be blocked. To be exact...you can see it but you can't write to it.

I would gladly help, but there is no other way to fix it other than reprogramming EEPROM again. Unfortunately I don't have any tools and this is too precise work for my hands anyway :D
 

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Bajo, thnx for your kind words, we gonna work this out. When that means you'll need a different unit: you'll get that different unit.

But first of all I wanna be 100% sure your unit is not gonna work with Bluetooth (and I doubt that..)...
 

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Correct,

If I only could access coding I would make it work but since I can't he will need different unit.

I took screenshot of his VAG reading:



as you see STG 56 coding is locked on A4 settings. 3rd digit from the end need to be either 2 or 6 for TEL functionality. Now it is 1

0xxx?xx: Telephone/telematics
1 - no telephone (supply voltage for microphone actively)
2 - Mobile phone preparation (Temic - Speisesp. Microphone inactively)
3 - Mobile phone preparation (Cullmann - Speisesp. Microphone inactively)
4 - Mobile phone preparation (Nokia - Speisesp. Microphone inactively)
5 - Telematics Europe (supply voltage microphone inactively)
6 - Telematics US (supply voltage microphone inactively)
7 - Base plate diagnostic capable with comfort control
 

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Alex,
Thanks for clearifying my situation to everyone. I appreciaye your diligence in helping me out.
So are we safe to assume that its not the problem that my unit has a A4 motherboard but rather that it wont let us reprogram it (due to the Eprom being locked) to ACCEPT the BT module.
Haggie I appreciate your candor regarding this and this is why I always said great things about you and thats because you are and honest business man.
PM me when you can or email me so we can see what to do.

Thanks again to all !
 

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Here is the latest update, Albert (Haggie) is sending me another unit next week and I am sending my unit back to him.
I cannot express how satisfied I am with his reaction to help me out with my problem and was always willing to resolve any issue I had.
I am so happy that I bought from him and would highly recomend anyone to purchase from him.
Albert I just wanted to say a BIG THANK YOU TO YOU from me.
Alex I will let you know as soon as I get the unit so we can finish up the BT programming.

Once again Thank you to everyone invloved.


Bajo :D
 

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UPDATE !!!

Well cant say enough good things about HAGGIE (Albert), the guy sent me another unit next day air from The Netherlands !!!! And refuses to let me reimburse him for the shipping, for which I will pay him for anyway.
The unit he sent me was in excellent condition as close to being new as you can get, just like the 1st one I got from him and have been using for almost 6 months.
No extra effort was needed for him to get me another unit that I can get to work with the BT install whatsoever.
As far as I am concerned he goes way beyond the call of being honest and fair.

Another person along with many of you here I have to thank is PROXUS (Alex) who has been very patient and tremendously helpful with the whole install issue of the Bluetooth install. We dont have it completely fixed as there is still the issue of not being able to adjust the phone volume with the Nav unit as its very low audible sound.

Again,
Thanks to everyone who has helped with this project for me.


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Well, its all fixed up, turned out to be a loose wire/connector on the plug that goes into the BT Module, the wire in question was for the Tel - !
All this bs from that, oh well you live and learn.
Sure sounds better :D

Thanks to all who have helped, Teddy, Audi(I always forget the rest), NSXJR, Proxus, and everyone else that went thru this nightmare with me.



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TEL (-) line was hanging on few small wires and was connected only partially. When I dissasembled connector and moved it few time it finally broke...

....I would never expect this :D
 
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